Comments for Rational Understanding's Blog http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:48:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on An introduction to Religion, Superstition, the Metaphysical and Science! by therationalunderstanding http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/an-introduction-to-religion-superstition-the-metaphysical-and-science/#comment-67 therationalunderstanding Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:24:16 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=48#comment-67 Thank you Thank you

]]> Comment on An introduction to Religion, Superstition, the Metaphysical and Science! by toniogz http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/an-introduction-to-religion-superstition-the-metaphysical-and-science/#comment-66 toniogz Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:11:27 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=48#comment-66 Quite interesting, as an introduction... Quite interesting, as an introduction…

]]> Comment on Pat Condell’s Christian and Islamic comments and the feedback he gets! by therationalunderstanding http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/pat-condell%e2%80%99s-christian-and-islamic-comments-and-the-feedback-he-gets/#comment-64 therationalunderstanding Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:49:53 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-64 Your post on 30th June – about the BNP, ok! What has that got to do with Condell? Your post on 19th May – you are talking about Pat Condell’s (so called) membership to the BNP, this does not address the issues he makes and if you don’t mind me saying you are simply attacking the man. I am not a friend of Condell, still I agree with some of the things he talks about and I am a liberal Democrat, where does this leave your argument? I in no way support the BNP party, still there is no honest way that you are able to tell if Condell does or not, so this is just a big assumption. 3rd May – you go on about gamers for some reason and then you talk about New Zealand, I am a little lost here! Your post 7th April – you said context is everything; I’ve read and listened to Condell’s point of view. WHERE IS YOURS? To me you don’t understand the things Condell is going on about, you are missing the whole point. Your post on the 7th April and 22nd are your best, It was perhaps the only attempt I can see of some serious discourse you just need to go further, you started to form an argument and you are making some good points. I will answer on your blog in due course. Your post on 30th June – about the BNP, ok! What has that got to do with Condell? Your post on 19th May – you are talking about Pat Condell’s (so called) membership to the BNP, this does not address the issues he makes and if you don’t mind me saying you are simply attacking the man. I am not a friend of Condell, still I agree with some of the things he talks about and I am a liberal Democrat, where does this leave your argument? I in no way support the BNP party, still there is no honest way that you are able to tell if Condell does or not, so this is just a big assumption. 3rd May – you go on about gamers for some reason and then you talk about New Zealand, I am a little lost here! Your post 7th April – you said context is everything; I’ve read and listened to Condell’s point of view. WHERE IS YOURS? To me you don’t understand the things Condell is going on about, you are missing the whole point. Your post on the 7th April and 22nd are your best, It was perhaps the only attempt I can see of some serious discourse you just need to go further, you started to form an argument and you are making some good points. I will answer on your blog in due course.

]]> Comment on Pat Condell’s Christian and Islamic comments and the feedback he gets! by whypatcoondellisntfunny http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/pat-condell%e2%80%99s-christian-and-islamic-comments-and-the-feedback-he-gets/#comment-63 whypatcoondellisntfunny Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:08:11 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-63 I've just come back to view this, and I'm honestly aghast that you said this. I've debunked multiple Condell points from a rational point of view. As an example : http://whypatcondellisntfunny.blogspot.com/2008/02/youtube-post-no-2.html This post alone has 5 bullet pointed, rational reasons why Condell is wrong. I've not been arguing against him, I've argued against the factual errors he makes and the inconsistencies he demonstrates across his videos. Do you not take the points that I make in that post and video, as being against the things he says, rather than the man he is? I’ve just come back to view this, and I’m honestly aghast that you said this. I’ve debunked multiple Condell points from a rational point of view.

As an example : http://whypatcondellisntfunny.blogspot.com/2008/02/youtube-post-no-2.html

This post alone has 5 bullet pointed, rational reasons why Condell is wrong. I’ve not been arguing against him, I’ve argued against the factual errors he makes and the inconsistencies he demonstrates across his videos.

Do you not take the points that I make in that post and video, as being against the things he says, rather than the man he is?

]]> Comment on Muslim guilty of Twatism too! Reasons to why Zakir Naik is wrong and does not understand the real world! by Ajay Rathore http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/muslim-guilty-of-twatism-too-reasons-to-why-zakir-naik-is-wrong-and-does-not-understand-the-real-world/#comment-62 Ajay Rathore Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:50:32 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-62 I do not wan't to speak much but one thing Niqabis have been raped as well. More women have been raped for being Muslim than for wearing loose clothes. Muslim women wearing Niqab have been or still are being raped in India. I do not wan’t to speak much but one thing Niqabis have been raped as well. More women have been raped for being Muslim than for wearing loose clothes. Muslim women wearing Niqab have been or still are being raped in India.

]]> Comment on Muslim guilty of Twatism too! Reasons to why Zakir Naik is wrong and does not understand the real world! by therationalunderstanding http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/muslim-guilty-of-twatism-too-reasons-to-why-zakir-naik-is-wrong-and-does-not-understand-the-real-world/#comment-58 therationalunderstanding Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:38:45 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-58 Thank you for your comments Dominique! Perhaps discussing the dress rules to which women in orthodox Jewish communities would change the direction of the conversation still I think that my arguments against Zakir Naik are valid to which I feel no heat in the defense of my opinions since I believe they are right and a reflection of the things I presented. There is certainly to be distinction made, just a simple reading and attempt to understand what I am writing would be nice as a start. How dare people attack me? 75% of the women in jail in Pakistan are there because they have been raped, 90% of women in Pakistan have suffered from sexual or physical abuse, in Islam women have already sinned being born. People should not judge me for attacking Zakir Naik, they should judge themselves for being moral suspect in supporting him. And that is the true issue here, I am talking about a man with crowds of people that respect him and he appears to be doing nothing to sort out these issues and let me say here what I think is the real answer – Compassion. Let me be open and honest here we talk about women in this discussion and before you can have compassion we must really understand what it is like to be a woman in Pakistan. It won’t be until we listen to them, know the risks they can present themselves or how others can threaten them, understand the rules which they have to live by and how this differs from men that we really start to be able to truly come to terms with compassion. This is not as easy as giving arguments to why I am wrong but it appears to be worthwhile, at least to me anyway! Thank you for your comments Dominique! Perhaps discussing the dress rules to which women in orthodox Jewish communities would change the direction of the conversation still I think that my arguments against Zakir Naik are valid to which I feel no heat in the defense of my opinions since I believe they are right and a reflection of the things I presented. There is certainly to be distinction made, just a simple reading and attempt to understand what I am writing would be nice as a start. How dare people attack me? 75% of the women in jail in Pakistan are there because they have been raped, 90% of women in Pakistan have suffered from sexual or physical abuse, in Islam women have already sinned being born. People should not judge me for attacking Zakir Naik, they should judge themselves for being moral suspect in supporting him. And that is the true issue here, I am talking about a man with crowds of people that respect him and he appears to be doing nothing to sort out these issues and let me say here what I think is the real answer – Compassion. Let me be open and honest here we talk about women in this discussion and before you can have compassion we must really understand what it is like to be a woman in Pakistan. It won’t be until we listen to them, know the risks they can present themselves or how others can threaten them, understand the rules which they have to live by and how this differs from men that we really start to be able to truly come to terms with compassion. This is not as easy as giving arguments to why I am wrong but it appears to be worthwhile, at least to me anyway!

]]> Comment on Muslim guilty of Twatism too! Reasons to why Zakir Naik is wrong and does not understand the real world! by Dominique Lagae http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/muslim-guilty-of-twatism-too-reasons-to-why-zakir-naik-is-wrong-and-does-not-understand-the-real-world/#comment-56 Dominique Lagae Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:22:12 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=21#comment-56 Overall, I notice that the people that have responded are unable to keep a reasonable distance from their own hurt feelings. You are not under siege. Any decent debate will be based on a postponement of discarding the arguments presented. You will walk the whole mile, read it, read it again, punctuation included, next open a text file and write a proper comment. It takes time and effort. Unfortunately, most attempts to interact are bound to fail, because the majority lacks maturity, wording skills, proper thinking and the attitude to be willing to learn from others. 'therationalunderstanding' is a brave man. He's willing to take a lot of heat just to deliver his firm stand on matters and eventually get this one repartee that's worthy of all requirements I stated above. I have adressed the art of debating here, not the topic at hand. I wonder how much heat I will get because many won't be able to make that distinction. Overall, I notice that the people that have responded are unable to keep a reasonable distance from their own hurt feelings. You are not under siege. Any decent debate will be based on a postponement of discarding the arguments presented. You will walk the whole mile, read it, read it again, punctuation included, next open a text file and write a proper comment. It takes time and effort. Unfortunately, most attempts to interact are bound to fail, because the majority lacks maturity, wording skills, proper thinking and the attitude to be willing to learn from others.
‘therationalunderstanding’ is a brave man. He’s willing to take a lot of heat just to deliver his firm stand on matters and eventually get this one repartee that’s worthy of all requirements I stated above.
I have adressed the art of debating here, not the topic at hand. I wonder how much heat I will get because many won’t be able to make that distinction.

]]> Comment on There is something wrong with the new wave of atheists’ books! Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins are guilty of the same errors. by Flirtation http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/there-is-something-wrong-with-the-new-wave-of-atheists%e2%80%99-books-hitchens-harris-and-dawkins-are-guilty-of-the-same-errors/#comment-55 Flirtation Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:44:46 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-55 Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway ... nice blog to visit. cheers, Flirtation. Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway … nice blog to visit.

cheers, Flirtation.

]]> Comment on Pat Condell’s Christian and Islamic comments and the feedback he gets! by therationalunderstanding http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/pat-condell%e2%80%99s-christian-and-islamic-comments-and-the-feedback-he-gets/#comment-53 therationalunderstanding Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:25:55 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=39#comment-53 The fact that you have an entire blog about Pat Condell is a little beyond belief! It is funny that you spend so much time having a go at Pat Condell and at least from what I have read, you NEVER take the points he is saying, explain why they are wrong and give evidence. I read the latest 7 posts and although I agree with your idea that Condell like the rest of us is allowed free speech, you still have not told me WHY he is wrong! You agree with the need for dialogue then create some, where are your arguments against the things he is saying? Argue not against the Man, argue against the things he says as that will result in me understanding your objections a little better. I look forward to your posts.. The fact that you have an entire blog about Pat Condell is a little beyond belief! It is funny that you spend so much time having a go at Pat Condell and at least from what I have read, you NEVER take the points he is saying, explain why they are wrong and give evidence. I read the latest 7 posts and although I agree with your idea that Condell like the rest of us is allowed free speech, you still have not told me WHY he is wrong! You agree with the need for dialogue then create some, where are your arguments against the things he is saying? Argue not against the Man, argue against the things he says as that will result in me understanding your objections a little better. I look forward to your posts..

]]> Comment on How will religion ultimately disappear? The death of Christianity, Islam and all the other religions. by therationalunderstanding http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/how-will-religion-ultimately-disappear-the-death-of-christianity-islam-and-all-the-other-religions/#comment-52 therationalunderstanding Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:25:01 +0000 http://therationalunderstanding.wordpress.com/?p=44#comment-52 No, I think that it does make sense, still perhaps let me try to explain it so you can understand what I am trying to say. First of all not all religious people are the same, there are those that don’t have belief which is as strong as perhaps others. For those that do have a strong religious belief it is pointless for me to argue with them about their religious wrongness. That is to say; if you have a strong belief and I wanted to attack you (with words, never violence) it is pointless since you will simply think I don’t believe and that is why I am attacking. Many Muslims actually when presented with evidence that show their faith in a bad light will just go into ‘defending my religion’ mode, at this point it is not useful to carry on with the conversation. Those that believe strongly in religion have a vested interesting in maintaining their belief. The Apostates of Islam did not change their belief via nonbelievers attacking their religious convictions, if you read their website it is clear why this happened. The idea of truth, harm and wrongness are the reasons for the apostates of Islam, in essence Islam caused these people to become nonbelievers! Although I don’t have time to take a poll for all of those that became ex-believers, the members of apostates of Islam I think make it clear they had a morality that far surpassed that of Islam, it is their morality which made them reject it. I don’t have to reconcile anything here; I just need to invest time in the three steps that I mentioned being that of tolerance, social justice and empowerment. It is these three ideas which I consider important that will create the ex-believers and at no point does this include attacking the convictions of religious people. I never said religious people don’t change, I said my arguments as a nonbeliever will never cause them to change directly. Other things will however. Me saying there is no God does not help, me demanding equal rights for women will. I will always point out the wrong things and make an argument against them, I just won’t invest my time into attacking religious convictions. Thank you for your comment; I hope I made that clearer for you! No, I think that it does make sense, still perhaps let me try to explain it so you can understand what I am trying to say. First of all not all religious people are the same, there are those that don’t have belief which is as strong as perhaps others. For those that do have a strong religious belief it is pointless for me to argue with them about their religious wrongness. That is to say; if you have a strong belief and I wanted to attack you (with words, never violence) it is pointless since you will simply think I don’t believe and that is why I am attacking. Many Muslims actually when presented with evidence that show their faith in a bad light will just go into ‘defending my religion’ mode, at this point it is not useful to carry on with the conversation. Those that believe strongly in religion have a vested interesting in maintaining their belief.

The Apostates of Islam did not change their belief via nonbelievers attacking their religious convictions, if you read their website it is clear why this happened. The idea of truth, harm and wrongness are the reasons for the apostates of Islam, in essence Islam caused these people to become nonbelievers! Although I don’t have time to take a poll for all of those that became ex-believers, the members of apostates of Islam I think make it clear they had a morality that far surpassed that of Islam, it is their morality which made them reject it. I don’t have to reconcile anything here; I just need to invest time in the three steps that I mentioned being that of tolerance, social justice and empowerment. It is these three ideas which I consider important that will create the ex-believers and at no point does this include attacking the convictions of religious people. I never said religious people don’t change, I said my arguments as a nonbeliever will never cause them to change directly. Other things will however. Me saying there is no God does not help, me demanding equal rights for women will. I will always point out the wrong things and make an argument against them, I just won’t invest my time into attacking religious convictions.

Thank you for your comment; I hope I made that clearer for you!

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